Friday, 14 September 2012

  • Why films and cartoons of Muhammad spark violence


    Just read an article (link), and just thought of sharing it here, as I think it does get to the actual reason why they act in such a way.. 

    While the motivation behind the low-budget video "Innocence of Muslims" remains unclear, the reasons it has helped fuel attacks and protests at U.S. diplomatic missions in the Middle East and Africa are both emotional and political, experts say.

    While it is true that images of Muhammad are not allowed by Islamic law, that doesn't explain the violent reaction, said Hassan Shibly, an imam and civil rights lawyer in Florida who works for the Council on American Islamic Relations.

    The reason for the prohibition in the Quran was that Muhammad wanted to discourage idolatry, he explained.

    "The Islamic tradition forbade depictions of any prophet or any holy people so that people throughout the years don’t start worshipping the prophet," Shibly said. "God is supposed to be the focus, not Muhammad or Jesus or anyone else."

    Images of God, whom Muslims call Allah, also are not allowed because Muhammad believed that no picture could capture the creator, Shibly said. This is why the walls of mosques are typically decorated with abstract art and calligraphy.

    The film, which has been blamed by some for fueling protests at U.S. diplomatic posts, including the violence at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, and Dutch cartoons that caused so much protest in 2005 caused outrage among Muslims because they were seen as ridiculing or criticizing the prophet.

    "For Muslims, Muhammad is a sacred symbol," said John Esposito, a professor at Georgetown University. "Muhammad represents and embodies the religion of Islam. He’s not a god, but plays the role historically that Jesus played historically."

    Images like these are now making their way, via the Internet to Muslim populations who have never before been exposed to sharp critiques of their faith, which also helps explain the level of anger they have stirred.

    Esposito said the reaction resembles those in the West earlier in history.


    He pointed to the uproar over 1988 Hollywood film "The Last Temptation of Christ." Director Martin Scorsese's adaptation of a book by the same name showed Jesus struggling with lust, depression and doubt, and  engaging in sex — in his imaginings — before snapping back to reality and dying on the cross. That movie was seen as blasphemy by some Christians, who — though not violent — were vocal enough to prevent the film from being shown in many parts of the United States.

    Shibly stressed that there is no justification for the violence that took the lives of the four Americans in Libya, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, on Tuesday. CAIR on Wednesday issued a call for Muslims to ignore what it called the "trashy" anti-Islam film and has condemned the killings.

    "It’s so hypocritical for (the attackers) to do these acts in the name of the prophet Muhammad,” said Shibly. "Muhammad didn’t win over his enemies by violence, he did so through compassion."

    However, he says that insults to Muhammad hurt deeply.

    "Muslims love the prophets of god more than we love our own parents, more than we love ourselves," said Shibly. "When people attack Muhammad, it definitely hurts us on an emotion level. But, that said, it doesn’t justify the violence. That’s just totally unacceptable."


    "Innocence of Muslims" features wooden acting, poor dubbing, awkward sexual moments and ham-fisted insults, with none of the production values of "The Last Temptation of Christ," or any serious exploration of Islam. Experts said it would almost certainly have remained obscure had it not ignited the protests and violence after being circulated in Arabic via the Internet.

    So far, it remains unclear who produced the film, and who funded it. Initially, the maker was identified as an Israeli-American man identified as Sam Bacile. But by Thursday, published reports were suggesting that it was the work of a group of anti-Islam Christians.

    The latest reporting suggests that  Bacile is actually Egyptian-born Coptic Christian named Nakoula Basseley who lives in the Los Angeles area. The Copts are a minority in Egypt, and often victims of discrimination in the majority Muslim country, as well as attacks by extremists.

    In a geopolitical context, said Esposito, the film plays right into the hands of extremists in the region who are using anti-American sentiment to advance their own goals.

    "What we have here, and it’s significant symbolically ... on or around 9/11 (anniversary), two terrorist or extremist attacks in Benghazi and in Cairo. … They are attacking symbols of the U.S. They are playing to a population. … It would be anti-American, but (they are) using this (video) to legitimize what they are doing."

    Shibly also wonders if the film itself was produced or circulated strategically to stir up well-known sensitivities.

    "The sad thing is these people are doing it on purpose," he said. "And unfortunately these Muslims fell right into the trap."


    ***

    Okay, maybe I should clarify some of the things...

    When I said this explains why the muslim act the way they did, what I meant was it explains why the muslim gets angry at such thing, which might seem to be a trivial and insignificant things to the others..  

    I also thought that it is clear from what was said in the article that, it however DOES NOT and NEVER justify any violence and the killings that took place, according to any standard, including islam...     

    When someone goes out creating havoc, violence, killings, etc, out of their anger, it is just unacceptable, and can never be justified...    This statement applied to the islamic principles too...

    And so my personal intention of sharing this post is nothing about that issue, because that is crystal clear..

    My intention was rather to get the explanation out on why on earth the muslim gets upset and angry at such depiction of the prophet muhammad in the first place...   Because I think such impulse in emotion is very much absent in other culture or religion, as it seems..

    Again, as to what certain people then do when they are upset and angry, that is not and never justified..

    (of course, as implied to what was also mentioned in the article, whenever this kind of things (the cartoon, drawings, video, etc) popped out, it would be to the delight to the extrimist, because they can use these things to advance their own goal, using anti-American sentiment they created..   The bad news is that there are actually many muslim in that region that are so uneducated about their own religion that they kept falling right into that trap, over and over and over again..   Sad, but true..)


    -maniacsicko-

Comments (25)

  • vexations
    I'm wondering if there is a religion that if it is true to the teaching of that religion would promote violence. My first guess is no way.
  • Grannys_Place
    So what is at the base of the reason why this happened is a movie? From what I have heard it angered and enraged the mob responsible for the killing. I again repeat that this is what I have heard and do not know first hand if it has truth or not.
    "The sad thing is these people are doing it on purpose," he said. "And unfortunately these Muslims fell right into the trap." That is so sad and people are dead. The mob is responsible for their actions no matter what is the cause.
    I am beginning to believe anything that evokes emotions is becoming a reason for violence all over the world.
    In a time when we all should be working together for the good of mankind we are falling apart from the inside out through violence.
    Sad.
  • we_deny_everything
    We've been through this debate before when that Danish cartoonist was attacked. No, you don't have the right to kill me when I say something you don't like. It is uncivilized. It is primitive, feudal.
  • GaijinWords
    I find it saddening that this type of barbaric action is dragging Islam down so hard. The fact that these acts can be blamed on such populace with so little self control is totally alarming to me. It becomes so easy to believe when the slightest implied insult leads to vulgar displays of flag and effigy burning and other mindless acts. Burning flags doesn't bother me, it's the images of rampant insanity that go with it.
  • Qipao_Queen
    I thought that the very act of worshiping a person, a historical figure or an icon is an act of idolatry itself?
  • soccerdadforlife

    The idea that some internet film stirred this up is preposterous.  There's all kinds of anti-Mohammed and anti-Islam content on the internet, with cartoons.  No, the film was simply an excuse.  The rioting and murders and sodomizing of the American ambassador have been long-planned.  The Obama administration is being manipulated very cleverly.  The Islamists correctly perceive Obama as an anti-colonialist and are using this against him.  Much of Islam in the Middle East is Islamist.  Tensions will continue to grow in the Middle East and the incompetent American govt. will continue to be shamed, assuming that Obama is reelected.



    If America continued to project power, then everything would change.  The Islamists respect power and those nations which tend to favor America (European, Asian, etc.) would be encouraged.



    If Islamists hate and despise anyone, they hate and despise American liberals as fools and for encouraging moral depravity.  Islamists respect American conservatives because American conservatives hate moral depravity and understand that it's important for America to project power.

  • CanuckFascist
    Further proof my fascist ideological leanings is correct. Religion should be crushed under the jackboot of progress. We are simply too advanced a species to allow organised belief of mythical beings. Zeus, anyone? Please.
  • maniacsicko
    @we_deny_everything - what you said is true... i post this not because i see it justify any of what happened, in fact it does say ""It’s so hypocritical for (the attackers) to do these acts in the name of the prophet Muhammad,” said Shibly. " and did condemned the violence... this is just to see why such a trivial matter to others can cause the muslim to be angered... i think that is the point that i want to shed light to, because many don't seem to understand why they even get angry..

    of course, what they did in anger is never justified, even according to their religion...
  • maniacsicko
    @Grannys_Place - i think nobody justified the killing, and the violence...

    in the article, early on, it did say it condemned the violence, and also ""It’s so hypocritical for (the attackers) to do these acts in the name of the prophet Muhammad,” said Shibly. " clearly enough what they did is very wrong by any standard, including islam and prophet muhammad..

    i shared this more to shed any light to the cause of anger for the muslim when such thing happens... because, from what i observed, in the west, such thing is very much a trivial thing, to poke fun at anyone, any figure.. why do these muslim can't take it as such too? that's very much what i hope the reader can see, why does muslim get angry at such thing..

    again, when they act the way those few muslim acted in anger, in such a way, obviously no one can justify that, and it is very wrong including in the islamic teachings... so i think that is clear..

    "In a geopolitical context, said Esposito, the film plays right into the hands of extremists in the region who are using anti-American sentiment to advance their own goals."

    but this is what have been happening again and again... the extremist keep using this kind of things to stir up the muslim over there, for their own agenda... so they are, at least partially, to be blamed.. (those fall into the trap of these extremist can't run flome blame too, of course, because they are responsible for their actions)
  • maniacsicko
    @vexations - i would be in agreement with you
  • maniacsicko
    @Qipao_Queen - you mean, according to islam?

    i believe, yes it is, what you stated is true..

    that is why if a muslim do worship muhammad, for instance, he has committed a major sin according to islamic teachings
  • fauquet
    Why put the fire to the barrel of powder ?
  • Qipao_Queen
    @maniacsicko - I think there is a difference between reverence and worshiping unconditionally, and people need to know that.
  • randomneuralfirings
    Thanks for this. It now actually looks like al-Qaeda aligned terrorists whipped up the crowd, then used the cover of the protest to kill an American ambassador. Unfortunately what most of the world saw was "those crazy, backward Muslims" rather than an act of terrorism by one group.
  • Ampbreia
    Very sad.  Very true.  I'm very glad not to count you among the ignorant or the pycho.  And yeah, I don't think anyone is, or should be, surprised if it turns out this whole thing was manufactured by terrorists just for the purpose of gaining power over the populations they are using.  They've done it before.
  • Fatcat723
    I am not sure how to respond to the violence. I am against violence and I am again degrading any religion. But I do not know of any religion or religious book that teaches violence. I do know that people use religion as a means to their own end. So I am not sure what happened here.
  • rocketopossum
    I dont know if I believe that the people who murdered 4 Americans are angry about a low budget movie that very few people would see. Maybe they are so angry because the US has been killing them, directly and indirectly, for years. If not, I believe these people are overreacting. It's ridiculous that 4 people were killed over a movie, I have to give the killers more credit than that.
  • angys_coco
    Yesterday in Anderson Cooper, they said that Sam Basille (sp) is in hiding. His home in LA, is swarmed with the media but he doesn't answer the door. But he has been in jail for fraud. (twice)
  • PrisonerxOfxLove
    When was the last time a group of Baptists flew jet airliners into skyscrapers killing 1000s?

    When was the last time nuns of Saint Francis of Assisi stormed an embassy and murdered the ambassador and his aids?

    It's time we quit making excuses for the Islamic Jihad. Slaughtering infidels is what they do.
  • maniacsicko
    @rocketopossum - i think it would be a cumulative result of many factors, normally.. but any one factor can be the trigger, and this kind of things can.. it can definitely used by certain group to "make a valid claim" that all those things that they have been seeing, how they are treated, are solely because "the west" is against them for their religion..

    in that sense, i would definitely agree with you
  • maniacsicko
    @PrisonerxOfxLove - i personally can't see how the absence of extremist in certain religion points towards judging other religion.. what's islamic jihad by the way?
  • PrisonerxOfxLove
    @maniacsicko - The Jihad has been slaughtering the infidel since it swept out of Arabia in the 7th century. Only the rise of the Christian West stopped it. The Jihad is the Muslim holy war whose objective is to conquer all lands in the name of Allah.
  • rocketopossum
  • versatil
    @PrisonerxOfxLove - Right. Which is why the human population just decreased by 2 billion people last year.
  • firetyger
  • Sign in to Comment

  • Give eProps (?)